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Lads and ladies,

It appears that I cleared the final hurdle with this skin camo stuff.

Tonight I suffered a 90-95% intensity flush. Oddly enough, it didnt last that long at full intensity, but is still lingering even now at about 35 - 45%.

Anyway, I figured this would be an ideal time to give the camo another try.

Now, it seems that in the past, my efforts we being spoiled by a little granulation / flaking of the product on my skin. I figured this was par for the course, but apparently not. I spoke to a good friend of mine about it and she seemed to think that a thorough exfoliation should solve that problem.

Lol, why didnt I think of that?

Errr, maybe because Im a blundering fool when it comes to this game!

So... :lol:

I used a face cloth on my face during my bath earlier, and gave my face a reasonable scrubbing (not too hard mind as my skin dont like that). Then tonight I tried applying the Keromask as I described before.

Well, it looks significantly better. Infact, MILES better. There is no flaking at all, and it seems Iv been able to apply an even thinning layer than usual. So much so that even under the hard light of my kitchen strip, I was barely able to notice the stuff.

And what I could see was seriously up for interpretation. I mean, it looks so good you literally couldnt tell. I know my face very well, and Im only just able to see a different when I look under the light from a few inches away.

So for the guys out there who are iffy about trying this, let it be known that exfoliation before application is key to achieving the best possible finish.

Another trick I did tonight which worked well - I used a little matte powder on my nose and forehead so help match with the camo'ed area (my cheeks). This meant that both were equal matte. A problem Iv noticed in that past is that my natural skin seems to reflect light fractionally more than the Keromask finish. So this subtle addition to the regime has made a difference.

Lads, if I can do this, so can you!

Im now absolutely convinced that the short term answer to our problem is in cosmetic camouflage. Without a single doubt in my mind. Suck up your inhibitions and give it a try. Stick with it, practice and you'll be rewarded with the answer to your prayers... a way to stop the dreaded FB!

BB

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Mate, as far as Im concerned its congratulations to the entire FB board! There's no longer any excuse to let FB cripple us.

We have something that really does work and is applicable to virtually everyone!

Quite exciting really :D

BB

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Thanks TP!

Yes, I am happy too. I just wish I had cottoned onto this lark sooner. While we were all getting stressed about ETS, lasers and heavy duty tranquilizers... the answer was much closer to home.

Obviously this is NOT the answer to rosacea. But it totally is for those who need to cover unpleasant blushes and flushes in everday life.

So please, EVERYONE go out, get yourself some kind of camo product, learn how to use it and rejoince in having a little freedom from the GD menace!

No excuses... :lol:

BB

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Oh if only I could wear Keromask everyday! I wore it out to a brightly lit pub on Saturday night with a boy I have the hots for and I was so amazingly calm it was unbelievable. It affected my whole personality not worrying about the dreaded redness when talking to him. I think I've perfected the application too, shame I can only wear it once or twice a week...

I'm currently housebound waiting for a UPS delivery of the Lycogel camouflage foundation (which is apparently for super sensitive skin) I ordered from the US website lovelyskin.com, grr, it's driving me mad, not only because all in all it's costing me about £100 altogether (shipping, customs, bank charge for money transfer, company charge for money transfer), but UPS can't tell me what time they might come and I could be indoors till this evening (and I really need to be elsewhere..)

My gosh, if this is the answer to my prayers, I hope it lasts me a good while, I can't afford to repurchase it every couple of months....sigh.. I'll have to try Dermacolor...

PS. BB, I've found using The Body Shops' large powder brush great for applying the finishing powder with the Keromask, it leaves a really natural result. I use the brush to dab it on liberally, wait a few moment and then brush off the excess. Their brushes are lovely and gentle on the skin also.

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BB,

I really appreciate your posting your Camo experiment results not just here on this thread but all the other “camo BB†topics. We are lucky to have an entire Camo Series here on esfb. Not only have you helped me tremendously as I never considered the camo route before, but you’ve also hopefully allowed some of the men of this forum to consider this option.

As a non-rosacean blusher, my other options are limited. I mean, I can’t really use any of the ‘skin’ meds or IPL or LLLT/RLT (Low Level Light Therapy/Red Light Therapy) because my skin is fine. My only other resources are CBT/counseling, antidepressants, anxiolytics or some sympathetic system “toners†like beta-blockers. Many of us use the pharmaceutical or “natural†supplement versions but it all pretty much boils down to the same thing…and if we’re lucky we may just attenuate the blushing episodes. Unfortunately, they aren’t for everyone and don’t work for everyone either. Plus, their effect is temporary or for as long as you are on the meds/supplements. Some may contend that camo is temporary which is true but imo, at least the effect is guaranteed as long as you use properly and have the correct color match.

So again, thanks so much for this. I try to keep my options open and use a little of everything to ‘get on’ with life. Every little bit helps and your bit has helped me more than you know! :wink:

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I talked to my wife about the makeup thing the other day...I got the response i was expecting..a little less than "you've finaly lost your last marble"...as in.."your not turning to the "other" team are you"..didnt shock me much..

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Hey Medo,

I can understand your wife's reaction, I think it only natural...if my husband had the fear of blushing instead of me and wanted to start wearing makeup, I'd react that way too. This whole blushing fear is so humbling, yes? Makes me so realize that you just can't judge another person's pain/troubles/experiences until you have truly walked a mile in their shoes. Heavy sigh. That said, being that I am a fellow sufferer, I can **totally understand** your wanting to give the makeup a fair shake. It has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality and everything to do with sanity, just surviving the day and getting your fair bang out of your life, yes?

I know I sound like a broken record but that is why I persist so with the whole Chanel story -- this would be the first product designed to disguise blushing -- it goes on as a pink powder and then turns invisible. What a dream come true for all of us.

I am female and can get away with the makeup route, but I hate the over--the-top look that alot of the cameo products leave you with. I literally feel like I am wearing a mask. I have to be honest and admit that I have not practiced enough with it and need to give it a better/more fair chance.

Bob Bear, you are a hero!! Your courage and your persistence and your willingness/openness to share your feelings and learning -- you're the best! I applaud your efforts to find hope for us all.

I just have such a skip in my step after receiving that email from Helen Brown yesterday. SHE verifies that she got her info about the Chanel product from the horse's mouth -- I just pray to God that it does come to market and that it does what it says it does. I have faith that we have help coming our way soon.

Tell your wife -- from another female's point of view -- I understand and can sympathize with her concerns. Also tell her that as a fellow sufferer, the mental anguish is something so great -- you can only get it if you have lived it, unfortunately. I once heard a fellow-sufferer say (she is a cancer survivor) that she would rather go back to cancer and chemotherapy than face the daily pain of blushing, wow. That blew even me away -- but I understand. Tell your wife that you are indulging your sanity and not your sexuality. I know that is hard to understand but it is the truth. best to you....I'll continue to hound Chanel and follow-up the continuing saga on the board here...

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I talked to my wife about the makeup thing the other day...I got the response i was expecting..a little less than "you've finaly lost your last marble"...as in.."your not turning to the "other" team are you"..didnt shock me much..

medo,

Maybe she just needs a bit of time to wrap her head around this. Perhaps if you bought some and asked her to help you apply it to just try it around the house she may see how it helps. Does she read the forum posts? Showing her read some of BBs threads on his trials may help her to become more used to the idea that this is an option for men, and once she sees how very discreet it is on application her comfort level may grow.

TP

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BB,

I have to extend a big thanks to you too...I would have never even considered the camo method without your posts. Being a guy, it was a big help to see other guys were using this successfully! I have this camo down to a science. I actually enjoy presenting now...and being in advertising I do a lot of that!

Perhaps we should come out with a line of camo "products" just for guys! With the right marketing, it could be positioned as a guys product (similar to Rogain or Viagra- both very uncomfortable topics for males!). Those products are widely accepted now and talked about openly. To hell with make up, we use facial camo!

Medo,

Be sure to tell your wife your not using the camo for vanity purposes and to look sexy! Explain, you would even prefer the product not even to be seen and its used to help your problem...which im sure she knows about! Good Luck.

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BB,

I have to extend a big thanks to you too...I would have never even considered the camo method without your posts. Being a guy, it was a big help to see other guys were using this successfully! I have this camo down to a science. I actually enjoy presenting now...and being in advertising I do a lot of that!

Perhaps we should come out with a line of camo "products" just for guys! With the right marketing, it could be positioned as a guys product (similar to Rogain or Viagra- both very uncomfortable topics for males!). Those products are widely accepted now and talked about openly. To hell with make up, we use facial camo!

Medo,

Be sure to tell your wife your not using the camo for vanity purposes and to look sexy! Explain, you would even prefer the product not even to be seen and its used to help your problem...which im sure she knows about! Good Luck.

now i ike the idea of turning this into a business..a distributorship would work very well..kinda like hair club for men..where were not just the owners, but clients as well..just not selling some cheesy fake hair replacment..we'd be selling Social change!

on another note, I dont have alot of time to read all the posts..where can i order these items in the US?

anyone have a fav retailor?

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I should also like to add my thanks for the camo tips posted on this board mostly by BB.

Its the positive vibes that count, like the lass who said simply in the shop at Charles Fox - this camo cannot be detected. The right shade that is.

You will get a bit of stick as well, amazingly from one or two individuals who you might have thought highly of. Wow, do they hit the pits.

Yes, just keep at it. Now off to see what exfoliate is all about.

:wink: :wink: :wink:

http://www.beauty-and-makeup-tips.com/skin-exfoliation.html

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PS. BB, I've found using The Body Shops' large powder brush great for applying the finishing powder with the Keromask, it leaves a really natural result. I use the brush to dab it on liberally, wait a few moment and then brush off the excess. Their brushes are lovely and gentle on the skin also.

Betty,

Im really glad that this is working out for you well too!

Such a shame you cant tolerate it better. Do you think its the product itself, or the process of putting it on and taking it off?

Personally, Iv not been using the powder these last few times, as it makes it so much more difficult to take off afterwards. As these were just experiments I didnt really see a point.

But I shall be sure to try one of those brushes you mentioned! Good stuff, cheers!

BB

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BB,

I really appreciate your posting your Camo experiment results not just here on this thread but all the other “camo BB†topics. We are lucky to have an entire Camo Series here on esfb. Not only have you helped me tremendously as I never considered the camo route before, but you’ve also hopefully allowed some of the men of this forum to consider this option.

As a non-rosacean blusher, my other options are limited. I mean, I can’t really use any of the ‘skin’ meds or IPL or LLLT/RLT (Low Level Light Therapy/Red Light Therapy) because my skin is fine. My only other resources are CBT/counseling, antidepressants, anxiolytics or some sympathetic system “toners†like beta-blockers. Many of us use the pharmaceutical or “natural†supplement versions but it all pretty much boils down to the same thing…and if we’re lucky we may just attenuate the blushing episodes. Unfortunately, they aren’t for everyone and don’t work for everyone either. Plus, their effect is temporary or for as long as you are on the meds/supplements. Some may contend that camo is temporary which is true but imo, at least the effect is guaranteed as long as you use properly and have the correct color match.

So again, thanks so much for this. I try to keep my options open and use a little of everything to ‘get on’ with life. Every little bit helps and your bit has helped me more than you know! :wink:

Thanks VG, that means alot.

This has been a wonder 'self discovery' experience for me, and Im glad that others have been able to benefit from it too.

Plus, your advice has been golden!

BB

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I talked to my wife about the makeup thing the other day...I got the response i was expecting..a little less than "you've finaly lost your last marble"...as in.."your not turning to the "other" team are you"..didnt shock me much..

Medo,

I think thats horrible.

Without wishing to pry, you should really sit down and have a serious talk with you wife. I think if she knew just how much of a problem your skin was causing, then she would be less trigger happy with the piss taking!

Sorry, Im being judgemental. I just fu***** HATE that mentality. I hate it when women try to dictate what is manly behaviour and what isnt. So hypocritical. You try telling you wife to get in the kitchen and make you pie because thats what women are surposed to do... and you'll soon see that it doesnt work both ways!

Today is without doubt a hard time to be a man. We need all the help we can get!

BB

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BB,

Perhaps we should come out with a line of camo "products" just for guys! With the right marketing, it could be positioned as a guys product (similar to Rogain or Viagra- both very uncomfortable topics for males!). Those products are widely accepted now and talked about openly. To hell with make up, we use facial camo!

Hey, thats actually a damn good idea.

If I were an executive for a cosmetics company, I would be looking at releasing something along those lines over the next few years.

What really needs to happen is for more men in the public eye to start using stuff. You know how it goes. Beckham admits to using cosmetics, and then ever kid from her to Dundey will accept it.

There remains a stigma attached to men and cosmetics, and its grossely outdated imo. Well, I dont know about you guys, but I am confident enough a person to stick two fingers up to anyone who has a problem with this. I really dont need the approval of these 'people' as I dont respect them or their views.

BB

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Sorry, Im being judgemental. I just fu***** HATE that mentality. I hate it when women try to dictate what is manly behaviour and what isnt. So hypocritical. You try telling you wife to get in the kitchen and make you pie because thats what women are surposed to do... and you'll soon see that it doesnt work both ways!

:lol:

Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?

Sorry, don't mean to poke fun at you. You're right though, stereotyping infuriates me as well. But it's not just women doing it to men. It's men to men also. This is why so many men feel so uncomfortable about it (camo) and they're afraid that their guy friends will 'find' out!

And just for your info, I LIKE making pie, ok? :x

:lol:

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BB,

Take a deep breath....now exhale....again.... :-)

I have said this before -- but I think we are all learning spiritual lessons from this whole blushing ordeal....top of my list is exactly what this thread is hitting on....don't judge until you have walked a mile in the shoes...if I didn't suffer from facial blushing and someone I knew became debilitated due to fear of blushing, I can picture myself thinking -- so what if you blush, get a grip.... moral of the story is that Medo's wife is not a bad person, she just has never experienced the pain of blushing --- it is hard to understand something you have never lived....and yes, -- for "socially acceptable" reasons, married men and makeup is not a common combination! If I were in her shoes, I can see myself reacting much the same. It's almost the same reason we don't want to blush publically -- because it is not socially celebrated when you blush!! Neither are men wearing makeup. Sad but true reflection of modern day society.

A dear friend of mine -- her son was killed in a car wreck six years ago -- he was 21 and the joy of her life. She has never truly recovered. MANY people around her in the workplace and even some well meaning friends have told her to "get on with it" -- to move on, let it go.... spoken no doubt with the best of intentions but how could they possibly know what it is to bury their only son? She is so hurt by their attitudes because they just don't get it, are judging her and her grief which they have never experienced firsthand.

I have to say that you gentlemen who are experimenting with the cameo, my hat is off to all of you because that takes alot of guts. GOOD FOR YOU. My own personal experience with "recovering" from this phobia has been multi-pronged: cut out the sugar, cut back on caffeine, EXERCISE even when I don't want to, be more open/less ashamed about my condition, trying to soften the mental critic in my head with more supportive self-talk, tanning products, and yes heavier make-up when the need arises. We all have one thing in common: our time is a limited commodity. I don't want to waste more of mine wallowing in fear/panic -- and if cameo gives me a sense of security, so be it...you guys deserve nothing less! But go easy on those who don't understand us too -- it is easy to understand why they don't understand -- nothing like falling into the mud pit to know what mud feels like, taste like, etc. Just human nature to know what you have lived firsthand.

End of my lecture. Hang in there BB, we love you. :-)

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Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?

Sorry, don't mean to poke fun at you. You're right though, stereotyping infuriates me as well. But it's not just women doing it to men. It's men to men also. This is why so many men feel so uncomfortable about it (camo) and they're afraid that their guy friends will 'find' out!

And just for your info, I LIKE making pie, ok? :x

:lol:

:wink:

Oh, absolutely Vic.

Its just that in todays age, women have risen to the challenge and met with men head on. Nowadays, it is unacceptable for men to stereotype women. Infact, its gone a little to far the other way! I cant tell my sister to stop burping and farting out loud without being called a sexist!!!

So it amazes me that some women today would think it acceptable to critisise a man for doing what he has to in order to function. Infact, it disgusts me... sorry, deep breaths... :lol:

I guess you have uncovered a little BB pet peeve (yep, another!).

Seriously though, I just think that today we men are in a kind of limbo. We will get critisised for going either way... and by people who tell us straight that we have NO right to critisise them.

Atleast thats the way its becoming here.

BB

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Irishrose,

"moral of the story is that Medo's wife is not a bad person, she just has never experienced the pain of blushing "

Absolutely. I guess its Medo's task to communicate this to his wife and help her to understand that his problem IS serious.

But I must reiterate that its stuff like this that causes some men to be so 'closed'. How many times have you heard it said that straight men cant confront their feelings? Iv heard that too many times by half.

Well the problem is that we live in an age where are struggling for definition. Are we surposed to share our inmost feelings? Or does that make us a joke? Maybe we should be traditional manly men... and get told we are sexist pigs?

Its very difficult at times. And imo it takes considerably strength to stand u and say "this is me, Im happy with myself, take me or leave me".

Indeed, I would wager that 99.9% of men in this country DONT have that strength.

"A dear friend of mine -- her son was killed in a car wreck six years ago -- he was 21 and the joy of her life."

Thats terrible Irishrose, and I understand your point totally.

Iv had similar things happen - friends die in car crashes etc. I had a cousin who killed himself age 26 out of depression. You're right, these are things we need to experience ourselves to truely understand.

Even to this day, having experienced a degree of depression myself, I cant imagine how bad he must have felt to take such drastic action. He tried to get better, but in the end it was too much.

Stuff like this is tremendously sad, but I guess it helps us to realise that we are indeed alive!

"But go easy on those who don't understand us too -- it is easy to understand why they don't understand"

Yeah, you are quite right, my mistake.

I just got the impression from Medo's previous posts that it was his wife that had made him so apprehensive to try this stuff. Iv never been married, but Iv been in a relationship with some who was highly judgemental and insensitive. Indeed, the aftermath of that relationshiped helped land me here, where I am today!

I guess my point is, to any female readers, we men are not as robust as you might think! We have thicker skins, and our knocks might not show as much, but we take them just the same.

"But go easy on those who don't understand us too -- it is easy to understand why they don't understand"

Hey, you know what? I love you aswell! Now y'all get over hear and gizza hug :lol:

BB

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Haha, f*** off :lol:

You know what Im saying is true more than most people Marc, so please dont try to make me out to say things Im not.

And if you dont believe me, I'll introduce you to some of my sisters friends...

She actually said to me last night, totally serious, that for her 'a man had to be good looking but couldnt put any effort into looking good BUT had to have great trainers'.

Something tells me she may spend along time looking for that man... unless ofcourse you're free Marc?

BB

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Incidentally...

Did you have anything constructive to add to the thread, or are you just here to heckle?

Was it not you who said on RF that only 'dandy boys' would ever consider wearing any kind of cosmetic product?

I think so.

BB

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